The Times calls her “the Great Dane of Brussels”. To the Independent she’s “the Harry Kane of the EU”. She’s the real-life inspiration for Prime Minister Birgitte Nyborg from the TV show ‘Borgen’. Now, fresh from coolly levying a record-breaking £4bn fine on Google for abusing its market dominance over Android users, EU Competition Commissioner MARGRETHE VESTAGER talks to Nick about power, populism, what makes the EU tick, and how technology could provide a way out of the present deadlock of resentment and rage.

For this season finale of ANGER MANAGEMENT, Nick journeys into the heart of the European project to the Berlaymont (where he used to be an intern, trivia fans) for an uplifting vision of where Europe could be going… with or without the UK.

“There’s a reason why the EU is probably the best place on Earth to live in history – especially if you’re a woman,” Margarethe tells Nick. “It’s a stable, safe place because we respect the individual. It’s human scale. We matter. You matter. And because you matter, it matters what you do.”

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